RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904 pre-review & discussion
Marek,
Right. My assumption is that these details would go into PAR step 5.2. How much more detail would be needed? Currently the scope says:
1) Standard specifies the encapsulation of digitized radio In-phase Quadrature (IQ) payload and related control data into an Ethernet packet including the necessary encapsulation within the encapsulating Ethernet frame.
2) Both structure-aware and structure-agnostic encapsulation of existing digitized radio transport formats are within the scope. The structure-agnostic encapsulation is not restricted to CPRI.
3) The standard will specify a structure-aware mapper for Common Public Radio Interface (CPRI) frames and payloads to/from Ethernet encapsulated packets.
I am more than happy to clarify all above three steps. However, I would be reluctant to go into detail that would allow a single solution outcome at this point, since we do not know the details yet that everybody can agree on.
- Jouni
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marek Hajduczenia [mailto:marek.hajduczenia@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:34 PM
> To: Jouni Korhonen; 'AshwoodsmithPeter'; 'Hesham ElBakoury'; Glen Kramer;
> 'STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904 pre-review &
> discussion
>
> Jouni,
>
> I believe you should clearly state what the intent is and what the scope of the
> project will be. I think you have pretty much an idea of what needs to be done
> and you can be very specific in the PAR.
>
> MArek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.korhonen@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 12:51 PM
> To: Marek Hajduczenia; 'AshwoodsmithPeter'; 'Hesham ElBakoury'; Glen Kramer;
> 'STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904 pre-review &
> discussion
>
> Marek,
>
> For the below comment, which specific part(s) of the text you consider having
> convoluted/vague statements? We'll have to fix those to avoid confusion and
> misunderstanding.
>
> - Jouni
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > Of Marek Hajduczenia
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 10:38 PM
> > To: 'AshwoodsmithPeter'; 'Hesham ElBakoury'; Glen Kramer; 'STDS-1904-
> > WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > pre-review & discussion
> >
> > I believe the draft PAR proposal should make it then clear what the
> > intent is, and avoid convoluted statements. Remember that people
> > reading and voting on it in larger IEEE might not have sufficient
> > background to understand all finer details of what you're trying to do.
> >
> > Being vague does not help getting projects approved.
> >
> > Marek
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > Of AshwoodsmithPeter
> > Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 3:33 PM
> > To: AshwoodsmithPeter; Hesham ElBakoury; Glen Kramer; STDS-1904-
> > WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > pre-review & discussion
> >
> > Oh, I should add that this proposal is not looking at making changes
> > to Ethernet to support CPRI, simply how the encapsulation would work.
> > The presentation to the IEEE 802.1 was to bring up the extremely
> > challenging transport requirements which are independent of the
> encapsulation.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > Of AshwoodsmithPeter
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 3:29 PM
> > To: Hesham ElBakoury; Glen Kramer; STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > pre-review & discussion
> >
> > Thanks Hesham,
> >
> > We are happy to answer questions on the proposal. If people are
> > interested I made a presentation to the IEEE a few months ago to
> > discuss the possibility/requirements. The presentation is available here:
> >
> > http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2014/new-ashwood-tsn-cpri-
> > fronthau
> > l-0714-v03.pdf
> >
> > There is a link in there to the CPRI specification which has much more
> > low level detail and if you Google things like "C-RAN" and "Fronthaul"
> > there is a lot more information out there.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > Of Hesham ElBakoury
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 3:21 PM
> > To: Glen Kramer; STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > pre-review & discussion
> >
> > I have attached a clarification on this project from my Colleague
> > Peter Ashwoodsmith.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Hesham
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hesham ElBakoury
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 11:42 AM
> > To: 'Glen Kramer'; STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > pre-review & discussion
> >
> > Glen,
> >
> > Is there a presentation that describes what this project aims to
> > achieve (e.g. do they want to encapsulate OFDM symbol data in Ethernet
> > frames ?) and why they think 1904 is the right standard group to work
> > on
> this project ?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Hesham
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx [mailto:stds-1904-wg@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > Of Glen Kramer
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 11:16 AM
> > To: STDS-1904-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: FW: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904
> > pre-review & discussion
> >
> > Dear Colleagues,
> >
> > I have received the following request for Radio-over-Ethernet (RoE)
> > project to be formed under 1904 WG. The draft PAR is attached.
> > We will vote on this PAR at the next meeting. Meanwhile, I encourage
> > everyone to review and discuss the draft PAR on the reflector. Feel
> > free to contact PAR authors with any questions, or if you want your
> > name to be added as a supporter.
> >
> > If approved, this PAR will become 1904.3 project.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Glen
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jouni Korhonen
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 12:00 AM
> > To: Glen Kramer
> > Cc: Zongying He; Jay (James) Teborek; duanran@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> > cuichunfeng@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; liu.qiong@xxxxxxxxxx;
> > Patrice.Plante@xxxxxxxxxx; zhang.boshan@xxxxxxxxxx;
> > satoru.matsushima@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; tero.mustala@xxxxxxx;
> > huangjinri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Peter.AshwoodSmith@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Radio over Ethernet draft PAR for the IEEE 1904 pre-review &
> > discussion
> >
> > Dear chair of the IEEE 1904 ANWG,
> >
> > Please see the attached draft version of the PAR for Radio over
> > Ethernet
> > (RoE) standardization effort that we (the individuals in the CC list)
> > seek to pursue under the IEEE 1904 ANWG. We welcome a review and
> > comments from
> > 1904 members on the current draft version of the PAR. We intend to
> > present this PAR in the forthcoming 1904 meeting in Wuhan to drive our
> > cause, which means we also ask for a presentation slot in the
> > forthcoming
> 1904 meeting agenda.
> >
> > Should there be any additional backup material prior the meeting,
> > please let us know. If there are any other matters we should be aware
> > of
> just let us know.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Jouni (on behalf of the PAR preparation team)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jouni Korhonen
> > CTO Office, Networking
> > Broadcom